Just wondering why you're removing birds such as the Robin back to Turdidae.
"The relationships amoung the Turdidae (traditionally including robins, chats, and thrushes) and the Muscicapidae (flycatchers) have long been confusing. Sibley and Monroe grouped them into a large Muscicapidae family with the thrushes in Turdinae, flycatchers as tribe Muscicapini (in subfamily Muscicapinae), and robins and chats in tribe Saxicolini (also Muscicapinae). A similar arrangement is followed here, with families Turdidae and Muscicapidae, the latter divided into Muscicapinae and Saxicolinae. However, some of the genera invovled had hopped from one group to another. This is pretty obvious when we look at the Muscicapinae."
"It was also typical to put old world robins, chats and wheatears in the Turdidae (or Turdinae), and various flycatchers in Muscicapidae (Muscicapinae). Sibley and Ahlquist (1990) and Sibley and Monroe (1990) began the process of untangling them by separating the true thrushes in Turdinae and reconsituting Muscicapinae as containing a flycatcher group (Muscicapini) and a robin-chat-wheatear group (Saxicolini). They didn't get it entirely right, but the current arrangement still has these general features. However, the membership of each group has been altered."
"The newest Clements update brought some changes to this family. Some families were moved from the family Turdidae to the Old World Flycatchers (Alethe, Pseudalethe, Brachypteryx, Myophonus and Monticola) and the genus Cochoa was moved to the family Turdidae."
The various books I use (Rob Hume's Birds of Britain and Europe, Collin's Bird Guide Second Edition (2009) and a slightly older guide, all classed the chats and Robins as members of Turdidae, I also noticed that the Warblers were also in different families, but I have left them be.
Oh... I think maybe your books were published before (or maybe during) the taxonomic changes were reinstated. If you look at link #5 and scroll down in says October 2010. A lot of my books were published before this. I only have two books that show the chats and rubythroats and stuff are in Muscicapidae (one is for birds of the world and the other is birds of Maharashtra - thank you Dad!).
Ok then I see your point now. At first I thought it was just a difference of opinion between the UK and the US but obviously it isn't.
One of my RSPB book was first published in 2009 and revised last year and that still backs me and Jack up. As you said most of our (well mine at least) books have been published before October 2010. I'm surprised the RSPB hasn't updated their website yet.
Thanks for letting us know about this and sorry for doubting you before. Just out of curiosity, how did they know to reclassify the birds. Was there new DNA evidence or was it just all outdated?
I think it was DNA evidence. If you have a look at TiF, you can see all the changes. Such as European Robin being the only bird in the genus Erithacus (monotypic) and Siberian Rubythroat being in the genus Calliope.
I find it odd how they haven't updated their website yet. I'm stumped!
Thanks, hon. I appreciate you not getting angry at me (or anything like that. Yes I'm constantly paranoid). And it's okay for doubting me. TiF is my bible. I follow it so closely that Wikipedia looks like one of my outdated books!